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4.8 - Return to Telos

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Reviewed By: ANTI-RADReview Date: 9/13/18 11:10 pm
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KRELOS NEEDS TELOS, TELOS NEEDS KRELOS, WITHOUT EACH OTHER THEY ARE FORSAKEN
LISTENING NEEDS A SHARP STICK, FIRE, AND SOME MARSHMELLOS

Note my wonky rating for individual elements. I'm going off of memory as I firmly consider this release and rate it, truly, in partnership with its precessor or "Part One," The Fate of Krelos. Regardless of that releases' extreme brevity, unfinished state, and reliance on this release, for aesthetic reasons and potential or flash-fiction element (in retrospect), I think that it was oddly better ONLY IF in relationship as a introductory chapter or part one.

However Telos is more standalone but gets convulated and the exact opposite of Krelos - too complex, lacking proper flow and disjointed. From my recollection, the plot itself was the suffering element. The highlights of the whole story between the two releases that do in fact really go full circle (not that story, just in theme, yhuck yhuck) are the introductory chapter of The Fate of Krelos and the conclusion of The Return to Telos. Telos, Krelos, Marshmellos. Furthermore, you'll want to be a least familiar, or better have watched the Second Doctor TV episode, "Tomb of the Cybermen," which is not mandatory nor actually oddly that beneficial. "The Tomb" takes place earlier on Telos, and there is mention ofJamie. Thus there is definitely a "Marshmellos Effect" going on here.

Therefore, I am rating both releases together - same "Overall" rating, as one story, which is the manner that they should have been packaged as one regular/standard release. The rating: a solid 3/5. And for a few reasons, old Tom Baker/4th fans will want to pick this up (cheap, or an extravagant, luxurious pampering self-gift, from Briggs with love).

I have listened to a few of the 4th Doctor Adventures and have been very disappointed, almost as if the writers have no clue (BUT this based on only a good handful of releases thus far). I was bitterly disappointed with Volume 2 with Mary Tamm for the larger story arc there (monopolizing Briggs' personal non-canon material from pre-licensed Doctor Who era) in a poor decision and now sadly bygone opportunity to use Tamm, who sounded and performed well.. The pain is there and shall remain forever.

The Fate of Krelos/Return to Telos STORY is the best I heard so far, for what it is, so there you go. This under all circumstances and thus far, to my own few handfuls of 4th Doctor Big Finish listening, is the release - singular with Krelos - to keep so far for the collection. And from the readings on my temporal scanner pointed admittedly at Toyland, all the cyberbabies agree, if not humans from that pathetic planet Earth..

NOW ON TO MY ORIGINAL REVIEW NOTES IN UNEDITED RAW FORM FOR YOUR PLEASURE:

firstly, the cast, acting, fx and sound design are all top shelf. part 2 of story arc (w/ the fate of krelos). first era cybermen, time travel and fish. this story does not necessarily stink but is humour-bent at times.. it's all in the particles, which do get a bit confused and scattered by end in both space and time.. i would almost want to call this a whovian adaptation of no country for old men (coen) meets wild strawberries (bergman). bizarre. i like the very end dialogue and performance that ties this philosophical (more than effective adventure) swansong moment and respite oddly together. for longtime who fans and those of the 4th "adventures" and Leela really. Give the guy a break, finally let them eat fish. On this last note, if you fit this bill, worthwhile.

Theme: Swansong

This was 3/5. 7/10. With The Fate of Krelos (required)

* I typically use a simple 5-star rating scale = 1,2,3,4,5, translated:
1 star = 1,2 ; 2 star = 3,4 ; 3-star = 5,6,7 ; 4-star = 8,9 ; 5-star = 10.
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Reviewed By: VDCNIReview Date: 2/7/18 4:39 pm
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The sheer pointlessness of this story has really annoyed me. Apart from a nice cover and the chance to attract a few casual listeners what was the point of bringing in Jamie & Telos into this story - they barely appeared and everything was forgotten in the end.

The Doctor & Leela interacting with the story in the manner of Trials & Tribble-ations might have been fun but that's certainly not here and if you're going to press the reset button at the end anyway then why not do something more radical and have the Doctor & Leela meet Jamie.

As it is the Telos part of the story could have been easily cut out and this could have been a one disc adventure. I thought this was the strongest series of 4th Doctor stories yet and I really enjoyed Krelos but this was terrible.
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Reviewed By: JMChurch25Review Date: 11/17/17 5:31 pm
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This is another story with somewhat of a reputation behind it similar to 'Nekromanteia'. Fans seem to either really love it or hate it with no middle ground in between and it's one of those audios you don't bring up on forums or Whovian chats for fear of starting a flame war. *BIG SPOILERS FOR THE PREVIOUS STORY HERE ON*. It picks up right where it's predecessor "The Fate of Krelos" left off as the TARDIS is forced on to the planet of Telos by K-9 who has been taken over by the Cybermen. The Doctor knows the planet all too well as that is where the adventure "Tomb of the Cybermen" took place in a prior incarnation and is where the supposed last resting place of the Cybermen was located. Speaking of which, that's exactly where the story seems to take us as we then get a special guest appearance by Frazer Hines as both the Second Doctor and as his highlander companion Jamie McCrimmon. As both teams seem to be on a collision course for each other, the Cybermen on Telos have re-awakened and have a plan for the now cyberized inhabitants of Krelos in order to return and conquer the universe. This is a story that certainly has a lot going on and is very continuity heavy in an effort to seemingly appeal to the fans. While it does work in many places, it does very much fail in others to the point where if you don't know the Second Doctor era at all or the story 'Tomb of the Cybermen' you might be a little lost. It ends up being a very unusual use of the Multi-Doctor format that is definitely different and memorable but at times it does feel like a missed opportunity. Despite the description and premise, characters never meet up in any way that's tangible or interesting even when the setup is practically begging them to. That to me is a big disappointment and one that I feel drags down the story quite a bit especially from how it was hyped up. I'm also still not a huge fan of the music in this one and the climax ends up feeling very muddled in that it's a pseudoscience gobbledygook explanation that felt was forcefully pulled out in the worst possibly way. Thankfully, the overall script and story is thankfully solid enough to where it isn't a complete disaster. I like the references that do work and I always love hearing the old style Cybermen in a story. Their menace feels so much more artificial and eerie than some of the newer versions and they are replicated beautifully here. The performances work across the board especially in the two leads Baker and Jameson and we get to learn more about the Doctor’s ethics of interference more so than I've heard in a while which I did enjoy. All of these factors save this story from being a major disappointment and leave it as only a minor one. Is it as bad as fans make it out to be? Not quite but it's certainly not as good as the other side makes it out to be either. Combined with it's predecessor, "Return to Telos" is a middle of the road story with many things that work and many things that don't. I appreciate it for what it's trying to do and it's always a treat to hear the old-fashioned Cybermen again but it could've been so much more. 
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Reviewed By: AvonKerrReview Date: 7/9/16 2:16 am
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I do understand why so many people hate that story, but for me it works perfectly. Nice nostalgia, good fanservice. Strong piece of drama on Krelos and very unusual use of the Multi-Doctor story format on Telos. And beautiful sound design too. I highly recommend 'The Fate of Krelos' and 'Return to Telos' as this is two very challenging and different audio by Nicholas Briggs.